Exploding chrysanthemums

CIA torture

As you will no doubt have read, the Chinese authorities have been rather smug about the publication of the CIA torture report, with a spokeman piously telling the press that ‘China has consistently opposed torture. We believe that the US side should reflect on this, correct its ways and earnestly respect and follow the rules of related international conventions.’

In fact, for me the most interesting part of the Chinese response was the fact that the domestic media don’t seem to be reporting the… er… fundamental issues here. There have been a selection of articles describing the CIA’s methods in detail, but always omitting the arse-related items (if you haven’t yet read the descriptions of rectal feeding: enjoy).

I suspect that this is because a) the Chinese authorities responsible for encouraging prisoners to comply with official demands are not particularly keen for their friends and relations to start thinking that this is the sort of thing that they do for fun, and b) the press tends to filter out anything sexually explicit as a matter of course, and – whatever the $80m consultant psychologists might say – ramming a man’s dinner up him is not the action of an individual unencumbered by paraphiliae, M. des Esseintes.

Not that it appears to have done a lot of good. Chinese message boards are packed with jokes about the CIA’s habit of 爆菊-ing their prisoners, a rather poetic term that translates literally as ‘exploding chrysanthemum’, but which takes on the figurative meaning of either a beatdown or a butt-fucking (I won’t draw you a picture). It’s pronounced ‘baoju‘.

I took these responses from Tiexue.net, a forum orientated towards military and foreign affairs. I picked Tiexue because it has a relatively high proportion of hyper-nationalists, but also quite a few intelligent commentators. I was rather curious, because while most of them are no great friends of the US, and would relish seeing it embarrassed, a large proportion of them are not particularly fussed about the idea of enhanced interrogation either.

Where the fuck have all the human rights warriors gone? Hurry up and try to whitewash your American overlords……..

– 风清扬253

So what? In police stations in China they kill people all the time, you didn’t realise?

– 476818455

[Replying to the above comment] Give one example. Proof of when, why and how it happened. Probably better include a diagram too. Then after that you can explain how come the perpetrator evaded responsibility for it. It’s easy to mouth off about all the ills of society online, and start rumours. If you speak like this then basically you’re not going to get a lot of people to believe you.

– 司马藏星 [T.N. Not saying this guy is necessarily a fifty cent party, but Xi Jinping recently launched a campaign against online ‘rumours’.]

[Replying to the above comment] Lolwhut? In China internet rumours just start themselves with no one being responsible, didn’t you know that?

– taokao

[Replying to the above comment] Deaths under interrogation? CCAV has reported on a few. Someone was sentenced to death in Inner Mongolia, in Fujian Nian Bin was tortured to confess to poisoning. This kind of thing happens a lot, the official media report on it. You can’t acknowledge that?

– 铁粪A如狗

This is BS! You call this torture? The Americans are just punishing the bad guys to preserve world peace!
Don’t you unnderstand how many ordinary people’s lives these interrogations saved?
This is precisely what the glorious role of world’s policeman is all about!

– 万箭齐发遮天蔽日

[Replying to the above comment] Hehehe ^^^^

– somalika

If a US cop thinks you look like a bad guy, you get shot on sight. The CIA just butt-rape you.

– 猫小挠

[Replying to the above comment] Someone you know got shot by the cops for looking like a bad guy? Wow, tell us who and everyone will sympathise with you. Oh… You mean the American cops? Yeah, actually they shot a kid who was playing with a toy gun. Fuckin A.

– 哎呦我了个去啊

America yo. Well, it’d be weird if an evil empire didn’t do this sort of thing, amirite.

– 993651774

When the Communist Army was set up they had strict discipline and rules: don’t torture captives. Every day the Yanks go on at our Party about not observing human rights. Now we’re seeing the ugly side of America.

– 沙滩上的一滴水

Democracy, freedom, the rule of law! We’re gonna beat it into you!

– seraphim927

Too many brainwashed fifty cent parties round here. The US has the balls to publish its scandals. Does the Heavenly Kingdom?

– yw5905536

[Replying to the above comment] Hey, you’re right. America has the balls to publish its own never-ending scandals while lecturing everyone else on human rights. They’re like whores doing business behind a grand gateway [i.e. making something disreputable seem classy]. That *is* different from the way the Heavenly Kingdom does things. China would never be so shameless… Since you guys are a bunch of stupid inadequates, all you see is the gateway that they put up. You think that the gateway is so wonderful that you can’t even see the whores beneath it. And one of them is your mother.

– 51楼ha火山

[Replying to the above comment] You think that people publish their scandals just so that you can laugh at them? They do it so that they can identify problems, and prevent a repeat of the crimes. Contrast this with the Heavenly Kingdom, where people are tortured to get confessions all the time. No one’s even tried to count the numbers or publish a report. In Inner Mongolia, Qoysiletu was beaten until he confessed to rape!

– maosanpang

[Replying to the above comment] yw5905536, if one day America ceased to exist, would you cry for three days and nights? Our national media has reported on police brutality against suspects more than once, after which the officers involved were investigated. Did you not see that?

– 815049316

When dealing with extremists, use extreme measures.

– abc2018

In reality, the CIA has covered up so many scandals, this is just the g-string coming off.

– 爱国无需多言

You’ve got to be a bit nasty with enemies. It’s not like you’re inviting them over for tea. I don’t believe in the policy of leniency towards captives, especially when at war.

– slowwater

Would the People’s Congress dare to investigate and report back on 610? I’m not asking what would be in the report, just whether they’d dare to do it in the first place!

– whitelie

The US used armed police to attack a religious temple’s housing, but they made it public.
Falun Gong doesn’t have the equipment or the materials. If they did they’d do the same thing Aum Shinrikyo did in Tokyo. A Falun Gong believer already planned to derail a train. I don’t need to go on…
You say that the People’s Congress wouldn’t dare to publish any reports on 610, but I ask you this: do you think that the US Congress would dare to investigate the threats and secret surveillance of anti-war activists during the Vietnam War? Would they dare to investigate US cooperation with drug lords in South America, East Africa and Southeast Asia during the Cold War?

– liutao1494

[Replying to the above comment] You’re the one who seems to think that the Party has things like that to hide… I only asked for an explanation as to whether the People’s Congress could make accusations against 610. 610 officials have acknowledged its existence before.

– whitelie

[Replying to the above comment] What is 610? The police should already be knocking on your door… Ah, such incompetent internet police.

– 水滴太平洋

[Replying to the above comment] I’m someone who seeks truth from facts. I’m not going to deny that the way that *those people* [T.N. He means Falun Gong members. If you mention the name your post is liable to be censored.] were treated in the labour camps was unfortunate. But they were very stubborn individuals. If they didn’t want to go on, all they had to do was write a reeducation through labour statement and they could have avoided going. It’s not as though the opportunity wasn’t given to them.

– liutao1494

The CIA’s actions were all carried out in secret, basically there was no way that they could be regulated effectively. There’s nothing to say that Obama will be able to stop it. What’s come out is only a tiny part of it. It’s hardly surprising.

– 十岁才变帅

There’s no point showing any humanity towards terrorists! What country would want them? I hope that one day our country starts treating them like this! These scum aren’t fit to live!
Anyone who kills random innocent people, from the moment he picks up the knife [T.N. Chinese terrorists tend to go in for knife attacks, though it is surprisingly easy to get hold of guns there. Or so I am told.] he loses the right to go on living!

– 嘉靖四十一年

[Replying to the above comment] Your whole argument is based on the premise that the guys on the receiving end are clearly terrorists, so there’s no point talking about human rights, and they should just be exterminates.
But the people that the CIA arrested and even put on trial weren’t necessarily all terrorists. For example, what if the CIA suspected you of being a terrorist, they don’t give you any human rights, just ass rape you… and then after the interrogation they say that they realised that they made a mistake? You wouldn’t think that was an injustice?

– 善战方能言和

[Replying to the above comment] GPWM.

– 嘉靖四十一年

Al Qaeda should just sue the US at the United Nations. China and East Turkistan  are comrades and brothers, why can’t everyone just get along?

– 汉委奴国王

Wassup yo. Just another day in the US hegemony.

– hjh黄

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